Goldtip XCutter Arrow weight differences

[grandpawrichard]

Has anyone that shoots the Goldtip XCutters noticed a big Raw arrow weight difference?

I just weighed my new XCutters before I start to cut them down and I noticed what I thought was a Huge difference in weight through the whole 2 dozen arrows. They ranged between 290.1 grains and 307.7 grains. I'm not too impressed with that wide of a grain weight difference! I didn't have 2 arrows in the whole 2 dozen arrows that weighed in at the same weight.
Before you ask, I did make sure to clean each and every arrow out, just in case there was carbon dust buildup inside.

I am impressed with the Goldtip nib weight and the screw in weights for the nibs. They didn't vary over 3/10ths. of a grain. The Nock bushings were even closer in weight, they weighed in within 1/10th. of a grain difference. That's some mighty tight tolerances!

It looks to me like Goldtip needs to start paying more attention to their arrow specs. as they manufacture and package them!

Maybe I'm a bit to anal when I put my arrows together, because I weighed every component and then combine them so that all my arrows weigh within a few tenths of each other.

I am interested in hearing what you all have to say. Thanks for the input.

Dick

[grandpawrichard]

Well, after a little consideration, I sent an email to several of the Goldtip Company Reps and to the President of the company. I just recieved my first email from The Goldtip Customer Representative, here's what it said:

Richard,

I am sorry to here that you are having problems with our arrows. I would be more than happy to trade them for two new dozens. I will need you to send the to

Casey Jo Larsen

Gold Tip Inc.

368 South Gold Tip Drive

Orem, UT 84058

I am not sure how you could have received arrows that very in the tolerance that you are explaining, but Gold Tip does stand behind there product. Please let me know what you would like to do with this matter. To cover your cost of shipping I will send you some extra points?.

Kind regards,

Casey Jo Larsen

Customer Service

Gold Tip Inc.

As far as I'm concerned, Goldtip gets a Huge ATTABOY Award and all three of my thumbs up! I'll be emailing them back immediately and sending the bumb arrows back post haste! Thank you Goldtip!

I just wanted everyone to know how this matter was handled. I posted earlier in several forums that I would be keeping everyone up to date, wether good, bad or indifferent.

Goldtip just showed me that they are a CLASS ACT!

Dick

[grandpawrichard]

News Update on how Goldtip is handling this problem:

I have now recieved two more emails from Goldtip. One was from Casey Jo Larsen and the other one was from Tim Gillingham.

Tim wrote:
The arrows you purchased were closed out two years ago when the specs were +/- 5 grains. We have since then tightened the tolerances substantially as you will see posted on the website and in our literature. If you want to send them in I will see that you get a set in the same tolerances of our current .003 straightness shafts of +/- 2 grains. Feel confident that the Gold Tip current product listing is up to snuff for t he most serious competitor and is one of the reasons that Gold Tip shooters are winning more tournaments than any other carbon arrow. Best regards, Tim Gillingham

and then Casey Jo Larsen wrote:
I will get them out to you today as long as you send the other ones back.

Now, is that fantastic service or what? I'm sure impressed with the way that Goldtip is taking care of this matter for me! They are Fantastic!

Dick

[grandpawrichard]

Well, I finally sat down this afternoon to check out the Replacement Goldtip Xcutter arrows.
According to Goldtip, my arrows are supposed to be 0.003 spine and +/-2 grain arrows.

Here’s what I found when I weighed the Two Dozen arrows:

6 arrows weighed in between 304 grains To 306+ grains
5 arrows weighed 307+ grains
8 arrows weighed 308+ grains
5 arrows weighed between 309grains to 310+ grains

I fully understand that: 1 grain = 0.0022857 ounce, so the 5.6 grain difference equals: 0.0128 ounce, which is not a whole lot of weight. But when a batch of arrows is supposed to be +/-2 grains, they shouldn’t have a 5.6grain difference.

I also realize that Goldtip, or for that matter, any other manufacturer can not take the time to hand weigh every arrow that they make. It would not be cost effective, nor would it be feasible!

As to the question: “am I satisfied with my Goldtip Xcutter Arrow purchase?” The answer is Yes. Goldtip bent over backwards to take care of my problem set of arrows and to make me happy with my purchase. So I will remember what they did the next time I need to purchase arrows!

When it comes to Goldtips accessories for their arrows, I am more than happy with the extremely close tolerances in those products. With my arrows came 2 dozen, Unibushings that weighed between 21.1 grains and 21.5 grains. I felt that this was extremely tight and manageable.

I was also shipped 2dozen 20grain screw in tips for my glue in nibs. They weighed in between 19.9 grains and 20.1 grains, which is an exceptionally close tolerance.

Goldtip also shipped me some Series 22-25 screw in weights for my troubles. Out of that 2 dozen weights, there was another close weight difference. These tips weighed in between 24.8grains and 25.4 grains. Once again, I felt that this minor discrepancy was more than manageable.

Next I weighed in my 2 dozen, 90grain Glue in nibs and I was more than happy with what I found. The tips weighed in between 90.7grains and 92.1grains. I personally feel that this small difference in tip weight will be alright. When I start to put arrows together I will be able to mix and match accessory weights to equalize out the weight of my arrows.

All in all, I think I should be able to put together a pretty decent batch of arrows that will fly true and straight; unless I don’t do my part.

In closing I want to say that maybe I am being a bit too critical and anal about matching up the weight of my arrows so closely, especially where these arrows will only be used in Competition at 18 meters. But, I guess that’s just because I always try to be a perfectionist.

Dick Raymond
Aka: grandpawrichard