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Post by Jeep Man on Nov 24, 2004 8:55:05 GMT -7
Any of you ever went deer hunting with an SKS? If you have read or heard anything about the guy from St. Paul that killed the 5 hunters in Wisconsin they said he was using an SKS. That seems like an odd gun to be deer hunting with. Just curious!
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Post by Cindy on Nov 24, 2004 13:00:03 GMT -7
In some states it must be legal to use the SKS, not once has it been mentioned it was an illegal gun to be using. What seems strange is it was like he knew what was going to happen and took the scope off his rifle, much easier and quicker to shoot open sights. Six have now died from this shooting. He is claiming they fired first then he returned fire, how is it that he is not hit once but yet he hits 8 of them!
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Post by Jeep Man on Nov 24, 2004 14:17:16 GMT -7
One of the things that really gets me is he openly admitted to chasing down the 20 year old boy and shooting him in the back!!! What is that all about? I agree with you also. If someone is shooting at you first you are not going to take the time to take a scope off and start firing. They are also saying there was only one rifle among the 8 that were shot. There are a lot of details to this story that just don't add up. I hope that justice is properly served. When most of your witnesses are dead it is hard to get the truth. To hit six people and never be hit yourself I would have to say you were on the offense rather than the defense unless he is John Wayne!!
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Post by Mountainman on Nov 24, 2004 14:43:19 GMT -7
I grew up in central Wisconsin. There is no laws on what kind of gun you use to take an animal. Just as long as it is NOT a fully automatic gun. Don't think there is a law either for caliber size. So it you want to hunt with an SKS, it's legal. I think this holds true for most states. The only thing you have to really pay attention to in WI is that some countys only allow slug guns to take deer. It depends on the countys population.
Ed
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Post by Jeep Man on Nov 26, 2004 5:34:33 GMT -7
Indiana doesn't even have a rifle season. I think it is too heavily populated for that. Pistol, muzzel loader, bow and shotgun are the only seasons available. That is one reason is sounded so weird to me to be hunting with an SKS. To each his own I guess. I just hope that the truth comes out no matter what it is. Whoever was a fault needs to be held responsible however, most of the other side of the story have died. What a way to start the Hollidays!
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Post by Jeep Man on Feb 15, 2005 15:00:19 GMT -7
I know this is kind of an old topic but has anyone heard anything about this lately? It kind of dropped out of the news about as fast as it happened. I would like to follow up with it and see what this nut case gets out of all this.
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Post by Jeep Man on Feb 15, 2005 15:19:15 GMT -7
Hmong Hunter Pleads Innocent in Wisconsin Slayings (Reuters)
Posted Wednesday, December 29, 2004, 12:00 pm
CHICAGO (Reuters) - A Laotian immigrant pleaded not guilty on Wednesday in a Wisconsin court to charges he murdered six hunters and attempted to murder two others, court officials said.
Defendant Chai Soua Vang, 36, entered the not guilty plea in Sawyer County Court and waived his right to a preliminary hearing, so no witnesses to support the charges were called, the court clerk's office said.
Vang, a father of 10 and an experienced hunter, has told authorities he was fired on first in the Nov. 21 confrontation with other hunters who he said hurled racial epithets at him after he got lost and wandered onto private land in Wisconsin's North Woods.
Two hunters who were wounded in the incident have said Vang, a truck driver and former sharpshooter in the California National Guard, fired first after being told to leave a deer-hunting stand on private land.
He is a member of the large Hmong immigrant community in the Minneapolis-St. Paul area of Minnesota, part of the roughly 300,000 Hmong who have resettled in the United States since the Vietnam war. The rural hill people faced persecution in their native Laos after being recruited by the CIA (news - web sites) to fight the then-North Vietnamese.
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Post by Jeep Man on Feb 15, 2005 15:23:21 GMT -7
Hunter Slaying Suspect Pleads Not Guilty
Wednesday, 29-Dec-2004 1:10PM Story from AP
Copyright 2004 by The Associated Press (via ClariNet)
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Associated Press/AP Online
HAYWARD, Wis. - A man accused of shooting six fellow deer hunters to death and wounding two others after he was caught trespassing in the woods pleaded not guilty Wednesday.
Chai Soua Vang, 36, waived his right to a preliminary hearing and will stand trial on six counts of murder and three of attempted murder. A judge set a trial date of Sept. 12.
Vang's lawyer, Steven Kohn, said the defense was considering whether Vang should change his plea to not guilty by reason of insanity. Kohn would not elaborate.
The gunfire broke out Nov. 21 after some hunters discovered the Hmong immigrant in a tree stand - a platform used to watch for deer - on their land.
Vang has suggested he acted in self-defense, telling investigators the victims fired a shot at him first and berated him with racist slurs.
The St. Paul, Minn., truck driver is behind bars on $2.5 million bail. He could get life in prison. Wisconsin does not have a death penalty.
Prosecutors added the third count of attempted murder Wednesday, accusing Vang of two distinct attempts to kill one hunter.
Wisconsin Attorney General Peg Lautenschlager, who is personally handling the case against Vang, appeared in court as a prosecutor Wednesday for the first time since she was elected in 2002.
The last case she prosecuted was the kidnapping of a 12-year-old girl in the late 1990s, when she was a U.S. attorney.
She has said she wants to prosecute Vang because of her "personal interest" in cases that involve crimes against people.
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Post by Cindy on Feb 15, 2005 15:40:50 GMT -7
I hadn't heard a thing on this since it first aired. I dont think he will get out of this, but never know. Looks like we have to wait another 8 months to find out what happens. This is one trial I would like to sit in on if it was closer to home. Guess we will have to rely on the press to keep us informed, and you can bet they will, I think this will make headlines either way it goes.
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Post by Jeep Man on Feb 18, 2005 8:53:06 GMT -7
I found a rather disturbing site on here. It was basically a site that was only posted on by the Hmong people. It was the complete opposite of what we are thinking which is to be expected I suppose. It was basically saying that the white man is responsible for this because of the racial slurs the Hmong people hear all the time and the racial tension between the Hmong people and the white people. One guy basically said that those hunters got what they deseverd and he would have done the same thing because it is either kill or be killed. I would like to believe that but the fact that he chased down the one young man and shot him in the back is what pisses me off. Regardless it all comes down to the fact that Vang was trespassing and more than likely was well aware of that fact. Oh yeah, the guy also said if it had been a white man that killed eight other whites we would have never heard about it. I think that is BS. The left wing media loves to put all kinds of shootings in the paper regardless of who does it. He went on to say that if they had killed Vang it would not have gotten as much attention either. I do believe that just for the fact it would have been one man shot and not a whole group killed with some being shot in the back. That is what made this story hit the headlines. It was like a massacre rather than self defense. Especially since almost all of the people he shot was unarmed. I really wish I had more details on this story. I wonder if a local paper in that area is following it more closely and has an online edition. I will have to check into that. Anyway, I will try to keep up with it for those of you that might be interested.
Eric
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Post by Mountainman on Sept 16, 2005 20:17:39 GMT -7
Hmong Man Found Guilty in Hunter Deaths
Friday, September 16, 2005 10:38 PM EDT
The Associated Press
By ROBERT IMRIE
HAYWARD, Wis. (AP) — A jury on Friday convicted an immigrant truck driver of first-degree murder in the shooting deaths of six deer hunters during a confrontation over trespassing, rejecting his claims that he fired in self-defense after one hunter used racial slurs and another shot at him.
Chai Soua Vang, 36, faces mandatory life in prison. Wisconsin does not have a death penalty.
Jurors deliberated about three hours before convicting Vang on six counts of first-degree intentional homicide and three counts of attempted homicide. In addition to the six dead, two hunters were wounded in the shootings Nov. 21 that began when the group of hunters confronted Vang for being on private land.
Vang, dressed in a business suit with family members seated behind him, showed no visible emotion as the judge read the verdict.
The crime rocked Wisconsin's north woods in part because four of the victims were shot in the back and all but one were unarmed, according to testimony.
The slayings also occurred during the state's beloved deer hunting season and exposed racial tension between the predominantly white north woods residents and immigrants from the Hmong ethnic group of Southeast Asia.
Outside court, one of Vang's friends questioned the all-white jury's makeup and maintained Vang was innocent.
"All Caucasian, all American. Why can't there be one Hmong? Why can't there be one minority in there?" Pofwmyeh Yang said. "I believe only one person can judge, and that's God. But God didn't judge today."
Attorney General Peg Lautenschlager said in her closing argument that Vang ambushed some of the victims and chased down one of them. But the defense said the confrontation was all about racial prejudice.
Vang's attorney, Steven Kohn, told jurors the prosecution cannot prove who fired the first shot. Vang had testified he started firing only after one of the hunters shot at him first.
"In the courtroom, the tie goes to the defendant," Kohn said.
Lautenschlager reminded jurors Vang testified he felt two of the victims deserved to die because they called him names. "The physical evidence and the witness statements speak for themselves," she said.
Kohn said Friday the hunters' anger at Vang was driven by racial prejudice.
"It really is the straw that stirs the drink. It is the catalyst," he said. He told jurors the trial was not about the Hmong community or Wisconsin's hunting culture, but about what happened when specific individuals confronted each other in the woods.
The judge had given jurors the option of finding Vang guilty on lesser charges of second-degree murder or attempted murder.
Vang testified Thursday that he fired at the group of hunters because he feared for his life. At one point, he pretended to hold a rifle as he told jurors how he gunned down the victims — but he claimed it was only after a shot was fired at him.
Vang, a truck driver from St. Paul, Minn., came to the United States more than 20 years ago from a refugee camp in Thailand.
He said the shootings happened after one of the white hunters used profanities and racial slurs when angrily confronting him for trespassing in a tree stand used to hunt deer last fall.
Two survivors of the shootings testified that only one shot was fired at Vang, and that was after he had already shot the victims.
Cross-examined by Lautenschlager, Vang was asked if each victim deserved to die. Vang answered "no" in some cases and "yes" in others.
He told jurors he was on the rifle team in high school in California and later served in the National Guard, where he was trained to shoot to kill. He also described himself as an experienced hunter.
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Associated Press writer Todd Richmond in Hayward contributed to this report.
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